John 14: The Real Truth About The Father & The Son

Nov 20, 2011 by

Let’s face it: Mr. Johnson is the first Jehovah’s Witness (not ex JW or waffling JW but full on JW) that has had the guts and the fortitude to challenge the concept of the deity of Christ on this blog.

For that I thank Mr. Johnson!

His challenges and questions made me really examine some of the scriptures that the Watchtower has twisted into something entirely different from mainstream translations. It got me to thinking about a chapter in the bible. It is John 14. This chapter more than any other, in my opinion, gives us a tremendous insight into the relationship between Jesus Christ and His Father. I’m posting the entire chapter here. I’m highlighting the areas that I consider to be of tremendous import in bold.


John 14:

1“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in Goda; trust also in me.

2In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4You know the way to the place where I am going.”

5Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”

6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

7If you really knew me, you would knowb my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

8Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

10Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

[Jesus Christ here openly states that God the Father is living in Him. He’s saying that these words weren’t His. They were His Father’s. – DS]

11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father.

14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

[Here Jesus states plainly that anything that the disciples ask him after He goes to the Father, He will do. How do you ask Christ something after He’s gone? By praying to Christ!– DS]

15“If you love me, you will obey what I command.

16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will bec in you.

[Here’s that other person of the three person’s of God. Notice that Christ calls Him a Counselor and that He will live in them and with them! Interestingly enough this chapter deals with THREE different personas: The Father, The Son and The Counselor. Notice the verbiage used in Isaiah 9:6 one more time:

6 For to us a child is born,
   to us a son is given,
   and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
   Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
   Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 

Isn’t it amazing that Jesus is called ALL of the things that God the Father is called?

Of course they will quickly try to split hairs and say that Jesus is a “mighty god” but not “almighty God”. Let’s see how Jehovah is referenced in the Old Testament regarding this little hair split:

Isaiah 10:21 New World Translation:

“A mere remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God.”

This is the ONE God of Israel being referenced here and He is being referred to as the mighty God in the New World Translation. So Isaiah 9:6 was referring to what? Jesus or the Father? You can’t have it both ways boys and girls.

So which is it? Is Jehovah almighty God and Jesus a mighty god? I’m getting so confused with all of these Gods and with this hair splitting because there are many verses in the old testament that call Jehovah a “mighty God”. Of course the Watchtower has again taken great pains to change the translation in their NWT to “Divine” instead of “mighty” in most of these occurrences even though no other translation or version renders the verses that way.

I guess they saw in advance that Isaiah 9:6 would create problems for them if Jehovah was referred to in the old testament as “mighty God” and they changed most of them to again make them innocuous. However Isaiah 10:21 is one that they apparently missed. Oh well maybe the next revision will bring “new light” to this one as well. -DS]

18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”

22Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”

23Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

25“All this I have spoken while still with you.

26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

[Here’s that Holy Spirit again doing things that only an intelligent personality could do…teaching, reminding and counseling! I simply can’t accept the Watchtower’s teaching that the Holy Spirit is just some “active force” like electricity. It just doesn’t fit the context and references throughout the bible -DS]

27Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

28“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

[Jehovah’s Witnesses LOVE to quote this scripture. They LOVE the fact that this scripture exists. This gives them a pin to hang all sorts of suppositions upon. However, the fact is that at the time of this quotation Jesus was actually “a little lower than angels”. Of course this also could very well have been Jesus showing love, respect and admiration for His Father as that of a Son. In any event this scripture does NOT prove that Jesus wasn’t equal to God or wasn’t God.- DS]

29I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe. 30I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me, 31but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me.

The fact of the matter is that any Jehovah’s Witness that is thoroughly brainwashed by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society will deny the deity of Christ in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary and that is perfectly okay…sad but okay. 

They have established an “us versus them” mentality where they fight tooth and nail against anything brought to the fore that contradicts their teachings. They believe that all of the biblical scholars and all of the religions, all of the bible translations and all of non-Jehovah’s Witnesses are all part of a worldwide conspiracy to attack them in the end times. They believe that anyone that is a non-Jehovah’s Witness is led by the devil and the demons and that anything they say or do to contradict Watchtower teachings is to be ignored, maligned, discounted and otherwise treated with disdain. They essentially “stereotype” anyone who questions their teaching as an apostate or the minion of an apostate.

About the only way to help these ones is when they are in the “doubting phase” and are already starting to question the teachings of the Watchtower society. Until they’ve made this psychological shift in awareness they simply can’t get past their own preconceived agenda and belief system. The Watchtower has essentially “inoculated” them against challenges based upon scripture with their brainwashing tactic i.e. separating them from their friends, relatives, and other circles of influence. This makes it easier for the Watchtower to convince them that it is “us versus them”.

Yours in Christ,

Doug Shields

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