Core Belief Challenge #2: Is there a trinity?

Mar 13, 2011 by

In the last post we proved to any reasonable person that the bible teaches that Jesus is God. What about the Holy Spirit? Is there some sort of a triune Godhead or does God just comprise Jesus and God the Father?

The following scriptural citations put an end to the debate and if you’re truly honest hearted and want the truth about God you should be able to come to the same conclusion.

Genesis 18

   1 And Jehovah appeared unto him by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

   2 and he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood over against him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself to the earth,

(This “rule of three” appears quite frequently in the scriptures as we will soon see in the coming texts!)

   3 and said, My lord, if now I have found favor in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

   4 let now a little water be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

   5 and I will fetch a morsel of bread, and strengthen ye your heart; after that ye shall pass on: forasmuch as ye are come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.

   6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes.

   7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetched a calf tender and good, and gave it unto the servant; and he hasted to dress it.

   8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

   9And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent.

   10 And he said, I will certainly return unto thee when the season cometh round; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard in the tent door, which was behind him.

   11 Now Abraham and Sarah were old, and well stricken in age; it had ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.

   12 And Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?

   13 And Jehovah said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, who am old?

   14 Is anything too hard for Jehovah? At the set time I will return unto thee, when the season cometh round, and Sarah shall have a son.

   15 Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh.

   16 And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.

   17 And Jehovah said, Shall I hide from Abraham that which I do;

   18 seeing that Abraham had surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

   19 For I have known him, to the end that he may command his children and his household after him, that they may keep the way of Jehovah, to do righteousness and justice; to the end that Jehovah may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

   20 And Jehovah said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

   21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

   22 And the men turned from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before Jehovah.

Two of the men went on to Sodom as the scriptures bear out later. Yet one stayed with Abraham. He was referred to as Jehovah.

   23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou consume the righteous with the wicked?

   24 Peradventure there are fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou consume and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

   25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked, that so the righteous should be as the wicked; that be far from thee: shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

   26 And Jehovah said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sake.

   27And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, who am but dust and ashes:

   28 peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, I will not destroy it, if I find there forty and five.

   29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for the forty’s sake.

   30 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.

   31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for the twenty’s sake.

   32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for the ten’s sake.

   33And Jehovah went his way, as soon as he had left off communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.

Genesis 19

   1 And the two angels came to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot saw them, and rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face to the earth;

Notice that neither angel took exception to this worship unlike the angel of Revelation who corrected John for bowing down to him.

It is amazing that the scriptures refer to Jehovah as the “three men” standing in front of Abraham! Why three? Let’s see other scriptures that use the rule of three. This, by the way, is a fascinating read if you ever wish to look up the word “three” as it pertains to the concordance of both old and new testaments. You’ll be amazed at how many times that is used in both the old and new testaments.

Luke 9:

  28 And it came to pass about eight days after these sayings, that he took with him Peter and John and James, and went up into the mountain to pray.

   29 And as he was praying, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment became white and dazzling.

   30 And behold, there talked with him two men, who were Moses and Elijah;

   31 who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he was about to accomplish at Jerusalem.

   32 Now Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: but when they were fully awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.

   33 And it came to pass, as they were parting from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah: not knowing what he said.

Peter’s perception was that these two “men” with Jesus were Moses and Elijah. However the scripture maintains that Peter didn’t know what he was talking about here.

   34 And while he said these things, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.

   35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my Son, my chosen: hear ye him.

Can there be ANY doubt here that this was the Father speaking? Well there were only three figures including Jesus so one could very easily assume that one of the “men” standing with Jesus was in fact the Father. This is also reminiscent of the account in Genesis where Abraham met Jehovah in the personage of three “men”!

Matthew 28:19:

   19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

Well if this isn’t the most suggestive scripture with regard to a belief in the trinity then I don’t know what is! If, as the Watchtower maintains, the Holy Spirit is merely an “active force” like electricity then why would Jesus command that we baptize in the name of the Holy Spirit? How ridiculous would the following similar statement be in this context: “We dedicate this building in the name of John Smith, Jane Doe and electricity.” It doesn’t make a bit of sense does it? Yet the Watchtower maintains this in spite of all evidence to the contrary!

2 Corinthians 13:14:

   14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

Yet another inference that there are three personages to God and not just one!

Matthew 12:32:

   32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in that which is to come.

Wow! So the Watchtower is attempting to convince us that if we speak against Jesus it will be forgiven but if we speak against an “active force” like electricity that we’ll never be forgiven neither in this world nor that which is to come? Obviously the Holy Spirit carries a lot more import than they maintain!

Acts 13:2:

   2 And as they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

So the Holy Spirit talks!

Acts 16:6:

   6 And they went through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden of the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia;

So the Holy Spirit can forbid!

Acts 5:3:

   3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thy heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

So the Holy Spirit can be lied to!

Luke 12:12:

   12 for the Holy Spirit shall teach you in that very hour what ye ought to say.

So the Holy Spirit can teach!

Ephesians 4:30:

   30And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, in whom ye were sealed unto the day of redemption.

So the Holy Spirit can grieve!

Now I have to ask the questions:

“Can we lie to electricity? Can we grieve electricity? Can we be taught by electrictity? Can electricity speak? Can electricity forbid us to do something?”

It is painfully (at least for the Watchtower) obvious to anyone who reads the bible that the Holy Spirit is a person. Based upon the scriptures previously cited it is also obvious that the Holy Spirit is part of God just as Jesus and the Father are all part of God.

The Watchtower maintains that 1+1+1 = 3 and that there can’t be three Gods.

The bible maintains that 1X1X1=1 and that there is one God!

Take a look at water. Ice is water but in a solid form. Yet if it is warmed it becomes a liquid and if further heated it becomes a vapor. All three properties are applicable to water and all three are of the very same substance but in different forms.

The following scripture is quite appropriate in this context:

Jeremiah 17:13:

   13 O Jehovah, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be put to shame. They that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken Jehovah, the fountain of living waters.

Unfortunately the old adage applies all too well to matters of religion: “A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.”

There will be many Jehovah’s Witnesses who will stubbornly stick to their theology for reasons already cited in prior posts. However there will be those who will honestly and objectively examine these scriptures and have the ability to think critically and draw their own conclusions. It is for those people that I have placed this post and others like it online.

It is my sincere hope that anyone reading this will do so without the blinders that the Watchtower issues to its followers. I also strongly encourage that you do your own research and check out these scriptures and their further context. You will find that the belief in a holy trinity meshes perfectly with the bible both from an old testament view as well as that of the new testament. As an aside note that I endorse no manmade religion or church and that I endorse no specific theology with regard to a trinity. I merely use the scriptures for guidance in forming my own ideas and opinions and this, in my humble opinion, is how I think it is supposed to be!

Acts 17:11:
11 And the people of Berea were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, and they listened eagerly to Paul’s message. They searched the Scriptures day after day to see if Paul and Silas were teaching the truth.

Amazing that instead of just following Paul blindly as Jehovah’s Witnesses follow the Watchtower, the people of Berea searched the scriptures to verify that what he and Silas were preaching was in fact true!

A fantastic resource that I use to research terms in the scriptures is

www.bible.com

Check them out. There are various versions and translations of the bible there and you can search any term real time!

Yours in Christ,

Doug Shields
www.thewatchtowerfiles.com
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