A Letter From A Jehovah’s Witness

Apr 30, 2017 by

I received the following comment from a Jehovah’s Witness. My response is shown following that:

Hi Doug Shields. The one thing that I find is a common thread with Apostate JWs who now believe in Jesus as God is that you all totally throw out all of the things you learned about the Trinity and other God-dishonoring doctrines. I will be the first to admit the JWs were wrong on all of their predictions but can you honestly say that the biblical prophets did not do the same thing? I have shown Born Again Christians examples in the Bible when a prophet made some erroneous sayings and was not condemned by Jehovah and Jesus. When Jonah said 40 more days he did not say “maybe” Niveah will be destroyed he said Niveah was to be destroyed. Born Again Christians have tried to wriggle out of this by saying there was a “clause” in his prediction for repentence. This cannot be because why did Jonah get angry at Jehovah for not destroying the Niveahites? If he thought there was a clause? Jesus told his disciples they would see him come into kingdom glory before they died but yet they all died. Was Jesus a false prophet? John said in Revelation “in this last hour” Jesus was coming but that was over 2000 years ago. Again was John a false prophet? Apostates and Born Agains always are condemning others but when they cannot answer they always scream “stop attacking us”. This is a joke for them to say they are being attacked. I have many more examples of these but you will probably close your eyes to the truth.

Here was my response:

The account of Jonah’s prophecy is widely misinterpreted. As you well know, the people of Nineveh (Not Niveah! Where did you learn to spell? The Kingdom Ministry School?) repented within the allotted period of time and were spared because of their repentance. The Hebrew word used for your “destroyed” assertion has been used in a wide range as “transformed”, “turned away”, etc. I can cite chapter and verse but hey, so can you.

Using this as an excuse for the abject failure of the founders and leaders of the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ numerous date related false prophesies is totally pathetic.

The Watchtower leadership have claimed “special knowledge” since their beginning, and made specific dates the cornerstone of their teachings. Yet the scriptures all point to Christ and not special dates or knowledge as the Cornerstone of the Christian faith.

Christ even foretold of those who would make such false claims in Matthew 24:24-36.

The Watchtower leadership demands complete and total acceptance of their teachings by their members and anyone openly disagreeing with them can be disfellowshipped for apostasy. Yet when the Watchtower leaders prophesy falsely, and get caught doing it, they claim “we are just imperfect men.”

Anyone pointing to these huge, gaping holes in their history and stating openly that they were failed prophesies can be (and have been!) disfellowshipped for apostasy.

The Watchtower leadership engages in character assassination whenever someone questions them on any point.

Just how evil does an organization have to be, at its core, to forcibly split up families and friends merely because a dissenting member chooses to believe differently? Freedom of religion is a core constitutional right in the United States of America and yet, when a Jehovah’s Witness chooses to attend a different church or decides he or she disagrees with the Watchtower, they are maligned, publicly shamed, humiliated, and ostracized by an organization supposedly motivated by love.

You implied that Jesus was somehow a false prophet because He said that His disciples would not taste death until they saw the Kingdom of God.

Are you so blind that you can’t read the very next verse in Luke 9?

Here, let me cite that for you since you brought it up:

Luke 9:27 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”

Now read the rest of it:

About eight days after Jesus said this, he took Peter, John and James with him and went up onto a mountain to pray. 29 As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning. 30 Two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. 31 They spoke about his departure, which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem. 32 Peter and his companions were very sleepy, but when they became fully awake, they saw his glory and the two men standing with him. 33 As the men were leaving Jesus, Peter said to him, “Master, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.” (He did not know what he was saying.)”

You see, His disciples did see the Kingdom of God before they died. Can you honestly disagree with the context of Luke 9?

2 Peter 1:16 confirms Luke 9 completely:

“For we did not follow cleverly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.”

This was a direct reference to the Transfiguration of Christ of which Peter was an eyewitness as you can see from the scriptures already quoted.

Your vain and foolish attempt to infer mistakes made by Jonah and even Christ Himself in some misguided attempt to justify, as you openly admitted, false prophesies that your leaders have made is standard fare of the Watchtower organization and its followers.

When caught in an outright lie, first deny. When that doesn’t work, blame someone else. If that doesn’t work, attack the accuser. If that doesn’t work, end the conversation. It seems to me that the Watchtower leadership has far more in common with the politics of men than they do with God.

Shame on you and them.

Doug Shields

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Where Do YOU Go For Answers?

Apr 22, 2013 by

faithshakerHave you noticed something about my blog?

Every time a Jehovah’s Witness challenges my beliefs I don’t go running to “publications” or writings by pastors or preachers.

All I use is THE BIBLE!

Yet when a JW is stumped and can’t find an answer what do THEY do?

They go running to the “faithful and discreet slave” for answers. They pore over their publications including the bound volumes and the indexes to find any kind of answer for what I pose to them. Many even try to post direct “lifted” pages from the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society publications on this blog.

Do you see a pattern?

I do.

Doug Shields is an activist against religious oppression, control and abuse. He has a lot of experience dealing with these issues because he was an active Jehovah’s Witness himself for over twenty-three years. Doug has been privileged to help elders, ministerial servants, full time pioneers and even a circuit overseer to find the strength and determination to face the painful truth about the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society.

If you would like to have Doug speak at your church, meetup or other event you can contact him here.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses On The Deity of Christ

Mar 24, 2013 by

Jehovah’s Witnesses are one of the few “Christian” religions that teach that Christ isn’t actually God. They do a pretty good job of splitting hairs when it comes to this highly contested subject.

jehovahThey will admit that Christ is “a god” (little “g”) but not fully God and not equal to the Father or Jehovah.

I received the following question from a reader that deals with this subject in view of John 17:3. The Jehovah’s Witnesses believe, somehow, that this scripture puts to rest the whole argument that Christ is fully God. Yet when examined in the context a totally different conclusion is reached.

Here is the email I received

Hi Doug,

I know that only the Holy Spirit can change  a persons heart and then only can they be saved but i did what I said I would never do again and that was debate the Bible with my  husband who is studying with Jehovah’s Witnesses. The discussion was Jesus being Michael the Arc Angel. I was doing fine until the little brown book revealed John 17:3. He (my husband) was so happy with himself! It had nothing to do with Jesus being an angel but that brown book makes sense to him somehow. I was stumped for an answer because the Jehovah’s Witnesses already believe that God is uni-personal. Nowhere in the Bible (does it) say that Jesus is an angel. Somehow the writers got crossed from talking about being an angel to the trinity. I’m curious as to how you respond to that proof text?

Here was my response:

John 17:3 in no way counters the trinity argument. As a matter of fact it helps it and I’ll explain why:

If you read the entire paragraph instead of just picking out this scripture it will reveal a completely different context. John 17:

After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:

 “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.”

How is it that God could possibly “glorify” Christ if He were just an angel or just a man? However if Jesus was in fact an equal part of God then these verses make perfect sense.

Why did Jesus need the Father to glorify Him? Because He had surrendered His glory that He shared with the Father when He agreed to come to earth as a man.

Hebrews 2:9

But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while…

Note too the extremely close relationship that both Father and Son have with each other. This gives very strong indications that they are both equal in that they each glorify each other!

Colossians 1:15-20 really covers a lot of ground with regard to this context:

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Note verse 19 here. The word “fullness” is the Greek word “theotetos” which literally means Godhood.

Now if these words of Paul are in fact true, this means that Jesus was in fact fully God when He was crucified. God Himself suffered through this horrible fate for us through His Son.

I have one more question for anyone who thinks that Jesus is just an angel. Since He is the “image of the invisible God” wouldn’t that mean that God Himself violated the first of His own TEN COMMANDMENTS that He gave to the people of Israel? Note the following:

Exodus 20:1-3

1 And God spoke all these words:
2“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
3You shall have no other gods before me.

Now the Jehovah’s Witnesses will admit, grudgingly, that Jesus is a “little god” because John 1:1 states plainly that Jesus is God. They put an “a” in the most inappropriate place to lessen that impact as can be seen here:

John 1:1

“In the beginning was the word. And the word was with God and the word was a god.” New World Translation

No other translation puts that “a” in there with one exception: The translation from Johannes Greber who used his wife, a spirit medium, to translate that verse. The Watchtower actually used his translation to give their questionable version some credibility. Highly questionable at best and a downright demonic translation at worst!

So even with the “a god” translation the fact remains that if God created Christ and that He was just an angel or a man (as the Jehovah’s Witnesses maintain) then God would have according to Colossians 1:16, in fact, violated the first of His own Ten Commandments would He not?

This would be a major inconsistency unless, unless Christ was already fully God and part of a triune Godhead comprised of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It would only make sense if this were the case and, of course, I believe that it was!

I hope this helps you with your debate and perhaps allows you and your husband to see the glaring inconsistencies of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society with regard to the deity of Christ.

Doug Shields is an activist against religious oppression, control and abuse. He has a lot of experience dealing with these issues because he was an active Jehovah’s Witness himself for over twenty-three years. Doug has been privileged to help elders, ministerial servants, full time pioneers and even a circuit overseer to find the strength and determination to face the painful truth about the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society.

If you would like to have Doug speak at your church, meetup or other event you can contact him here.

 

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Jehovahs Witnesses | Facts About Their Beliefs

Feb 19, 2013 by

Jehovah's Witnesses BeliefsI included this post to bring many of the new visitors “up to speed” with regard to Jehovah’s Witnesses and the facts about their beliefs. If you know little or nothing about the Jehovah’s Witnesses then pull up a chair.

I’m moving fast with this so feel free to ask questions using the comment form or you can send a direct question to me by clicking here. This list is by no means complete nor is it intended to be. It is merely here to clue newcomers in on the facts about Jehovah’s Witnesses and their beliefs.

 

Jehovah’s Witnesses: Just The Facts

  1. The Jehovah’s Witnesses actively teach that the Bible is virtually impossible to understand and that it has to be interpreted through someone who is “anointed” by Holy Spirit. Conveniently enough they have plenty of these “anointed” ones at their headquarters in Brooklyn, NY.
  2. They teach that God is Jehovah, the Hebrew God of the Old Testament. They teach that He is “one Jehovah” and not part of a trinity.
  3. They teach that Jesus was just a man while on earth. While in heaven He was and is, Michael the Archangel.
  4. They teach that Jesus isn’t equal to Jehovah and that the two are separate and distinct beings.
  5. They teach that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force, much like electricity. This force is used by Jehovah to accomplish His will.
  6. Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that any belief system or religious teaching other than theirs is part of the “great apostasy” and is “of the devil”.
  7. They teach that Jesus was hung on a “torture stake” or pole and not a cross.
  8. Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that when we die we are completely unconscious. Nothing survives the body except for a memory that Jehovah has of us. If we were good then Jehovah may choose to resurrect us in the “New System” (a non-biblical Watchtower term to describe paradise).
  9. They teach that when Armageddon comes, all non-Jehovah’s Witnesses and any who are not “good enough” will be destroyed by God and this will usher in the new system of things and paradise.
  10. They teach that taking blood of any type is a violation of God’s laws and is a grave sin. This includes eating blood and taking blood transfusions.
  11. Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowship members for violations of their laws such as smoking, drinking to excess, fornication, adultery, murder, eating or accepting blood, adopting another faith or attending another church, and disagreeing with the teachings of their leaders, the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society. They will also disfellowship anyone found to be associating with another disfellowshipped person. Eating with such a person or even speaking to them  is considered a grave sin.
  12. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that they are duty bound to preach door to door about the impending end of the world in order to avoid being held “blood guilty” by Jehovah at Armageddon. They believe that if they fail to “witness” to others about the need to convert to their faith, they themselves will die at the hands of Jehovah at Armageddon or if they die sooner than that, they won’t be resurrected by Jehovah.
  13. Jehovah’s Witnesses are obsessed with the notion that objects, books, and television shows can be “demonic” and provide a channel for influence from the demons. The term “demonized” is used frequently and is a basis for extreme fear in JW’s.
  14. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe in two classes of Christian. One is of the “earthly class” or the “other sheep”. The other class is a “heavenly class” of a literal number: 144,000 spoken of in Revelation. They believe that only the “anointed” or members of the 144,000 have the power to interpret the scriptures and to make policy for the “great crowd” of the “other sheep”.
  15. They teach that meeting attendance and field service (door to door preaching) is mandatory and that to become “inactive” (missing meetings and failing to report time in field service) is to risk losing Jehovah’s favor and dying at Armageddon.
  16. Jehovah’s Witnesses teach a decidedly works based salvation. While they do accept the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ as a perfect man, they believe that they still must work to prove themselves worthy to Jehovah.
  17. They teach that all holidays are “of the devil” and are steeped in paganism. Anyone caught celebrating a holiday stands to be disfellowshipped.
  18. They teach their followers not to join the military or engage in any other profession that might involve taking a life. Any JW that joins the military can’t be disfellowshiped because of federal law, but a letter can be read from the “platform” stating that this person is not fit association and is therefore disassociated from the congregation.
  19. Any involvement in politics is strictly forbidden including voting or running for any office. Even JW children are not allowed to run for student council or any other post that requires a vote.
  20. JW children are strongly discouraged from engaging in any organized sporting activity at school.
  21. Associating with anyone not “of the faith” is strongly discouraged.
  22. The Jehovah’s Witnesses have their own version of the scriptures that was put together by a team of translators. The New World Translation is their only approved version. Other versions are considered biased and Jehovah’s Witnesses will do their best to get you to use their bible rather than your own.
  23. They teach that Christ is not to be worshiped and that only Jehovah (the Father) is deserving of such worship.
  24. They believe in a classical creation using 1,000 years for each day of the creation account.
  25. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe in the doctrine of “hell fire” and instead teach that “hell” or “hades” is the common grave of mankind.

I’m sure I missed quite a few “spots” so if anyone wants to contribute some comments regarding the beliefs of the Jehovah’s Witnesses please feel free. This should help educate non-Jehovah’s Witnesses and help them along in the reading of this blog.

Doug Shields is an activist against religious oppression, control and abuse. He has a lot of experience dealing with these issues because he was an active Jehovah’s Witness himself for over twenty-three years. Doug has been privileged to help elders, ministerial servants, full time pioneers and even a circuit overseer to find the strength and determination to face the painful truth about the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society.

If you would like to have Doug speak at your church, meetup or other event you can contact him here.

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